Every company faces the problem of people leaving the company for better pay or profile.
Early this year, Mark, a senior software designer, got an offer from a prestigious international firm to work in its India operations developing specialized software. He was thrilled by the offer.
He had heard a lot about the CEO. The salary was great. The company had all the right systems in place employee-friendly human resources (HR) policies, a spanking new office,and the very best technology,even a canteen that served superb food.
Twice Mark was sent abroad for training. “My learning curve is the sharpest it’s ever been,” he said soon after he joined.
Last week, less than eight months after he joined, Mark walked out of the job.
Why did this talented employee leave ?
Arun quit for the same reason that drives many good people away.
The answer lies in one of the largest studies undertaken by the Gallup Organization. The study surveyed over a million employees and 80,000 managers and was published in a book called “First Break All The Rules”. It came up with this surprising finding:
If you’re losing good people, look to their manager ….. manager is the reason people stay and thrive in an organization. And he ‘s the reason why people leave. When people leave they take knowledge,experience and contacts with them, straight to the competition.
“People leave managers not companies ,” write the authors Marcus Buckingham and Curt Coffman.
Mostly manager drives people away?
HR experts say that of all the abuses, employees find humiliation the most intolerable. The first time, an employee may not leave,but a thought has been planted. The second time, that thought gets strengthened. The third time, he looks for another job.
When people cannot retort openly in anger, they do so by passive aggression By digging their heels in and slowing down. By doing only what they are told to do and no more. By omitting to give the boss crucial information. Dev says: “If you work for a jerk, you basically want to get him into trouble. You don ‘t have your heart and soul in the job.”
Different managers can stress out employees in different ways – by being too controlling, too suspicious,too pushy, too critical, but they forget that workers are not fixed assets, they are free agents. When this goes on too long, an employee will quit – often over a trivial issue.
Talented men leave. Dead wood doesn’t.
Insightful analysis and assessment
I do not agree… Pls check the past records, I have been in MNC (i think you guess it right
) for 2 years and not only me many more (10+) left just in few days gap and all had the same reason…
I feel many ppl even dnt write the exit feed back properly or honestly just bcs they want to keep the doors (HR) open for their future return (Many ppl said me not to write the exact reason for my resignation but I did not follow that time and now I am happy that I did not follow).
people will nt write feed back properly/honestly coz they thinks that their managers will trouble in reliving procedure,,,,,,,,and what the above artical says is the right one i feel
Wipro is very good company as premji sir said, Mangers are the victim but in my case, i will not blame my immediate manager. the guy who was the head of the project who really want to achieve the more than the targeted revenue and perform cost cutting on employees (there was a strong technical support team where there and while leaving i was only one guy who was left from the team and there was replacement of 40 fresher members in place of 30 experienced resources which the complete pressure falls on me so i have moved out of the company) i am not against to freshers even i was fresher too.. they have maintain the ration of 4:6 4 exp with 6 freshers. this will help fresher to learn as well as pressure will be less.. my growth was also good in wipro. but only thing is lot of pressure due to cost cutting on the resources
One more main reason ppl didn’t write honestly in the feedback because now-a-days background check are directly coming back to their own Manager’s to whom they worked and get out of comp… Even after quieting manager’s have their hold on the people initially….. that would be the main reason, they wont want to give proper feedback about their Manager.
Its absolute truth and the truth is Ugly
as always.
Dont agree completely… There are many more ppl who primarily leave for salary as in this example the guy did the first time.. may be it is a 50:50, but managers are one side of this problem and the corporate culture/policies/HR/Salary are the other side of the problem…
Yes the people at first place may give a preference to leave due to salary and other benefit, but what would sustain them their longer is the latter part!!
The example above is not to show why he joined the company, but is to limelight why he would have left in as less as 8 months!!
The Article is too short to express much, but articulates a very important vein!
Wipro has a manager named ravi teja Chella* someting …He is the worst person and manager. Also many people like Ramkrishnan Venugopalan in Cognizent who is the dirty man …If anyone find then please sue them ..they dont leave even a pregnent women to fulfill their lusty desire ……
i agree as most of the time its you manager or your TL, then comes your job security and later part is your salary. i had one manager who was very cordial very simple very helping as soon as he left the guy who replaced him was a dumb due to which whole team left. i think managers should think from employees prespective thats when he would be loved and respected. certain times they need to be harsh but yes. i think for this HP is the best place i loved HP enviroment.
Yes, Though one of the reasons is manager, its just not only the managers. After all, managers also do have the hierarchy. Its also the rules/culture/Salary/HR etc and the way the managers use the rules. They should also think the employees are the basic roots of any company.
yes, it could be
yeah i too agree. my manager assigned a work and me & my back-end team completed in 1 month. then my manager said, you took 1 month to complete this work, if he has done, it would be completed in just 4 days. after few days, then again he assigned same kind of work to me. now this time i replied to my manager, if you can, you try to do it in 4 days. after that, my manager didn’t opened his mouth.
Yes, exactly this is right. Becoz of managers talented ppl will leave company..
For Example: Manager from wipro (V——- S——– V—————) from GSK account. Becoz of him many ppl have suffered a lot. He is the worst manager, ppl have seen in wipro. Becoz of his worst attitude, politics in team. arrogance, worst management from him made wipro to lose project and talented ppl.
But finally wipro did it, demoted him from the manager. But funny thing is that shameless demoted manager is still working wipro. How shameless he is???????
He knows it very well that he wont get a job outside. so, he is in wipro still. Dont know still how many ppl face a prob becoz of him.
We all will be thankful to wipro management, if they remove him from the company itself.
I too left wipro becoz of the shameless and worst manager. But now i am working other company.
Wipro should take this issue seriously. They Should demote the managers who are incapable to manage the team.
i work under a jerk , idot and a dick head.and he has come from a top IT company in india.No wounder why i am planning to quit after 6mts of my joinning
And also the employee leaves due to freakin policies… Even if he get a chance to grow within the company, some freakin policies (that keep changing very often!!) doesn’t allow him to grow…
they will want to stay in the same project and do the same thing although you know you can be of better use in another project.
Managers would say its company policy to make you stay in the same place, but when they want to lobby they will give the “manager’s exception”
HR is a just a puppet … and nothing else !!
You are right. HR is a Just Puppet and end of the day Mangement also will support to HR and Managers will be blamed. Now a days I say all your (employees) issues please discuss and resolve with HR and as a Manager I am resposible only for Project. Sorry, I am not blaming Great Premji.
Agreed…..
agreed
True, basically nobody wants to leave but due to their Manager & HR he is compelled. I blame both these parties. If an employee looks for a hike or a promotion and if the company is not in a position to provide it do a better communication with him and convince him instead of GIVING HIM FALSE COMMITMENTS SAYING YOU WILL GET IT TOMORROW!!! If the employer tel him the truth it might frustrate him for the time being but it wont grow up in him. Otherwise the frustration will build on day by day….HR, better re-think.
Am one of the Victim… Got a chance to move from BPO to Tech… But some useless and unworthy policy made by ***** ***** , made to sit BPO itself… VERY FRUSTATING…
i believe u would experience the same in tech
It’s true that people leave the manager, not the organizations. These type of managers actually down the companies image.
Company Policy specially HR policy is not good.
just like a sabjee market in the case of salary negotation.
its the problem of All IT company not for WIPRO.
there should be some standard define like government services.
Very true
IMO, most often, people leave because there is a mismatch in the expectation setting by the company, the manager, whoever .. and also, cos in general, people don’t persevere.
100% true. Some Peoples want to stay in the organization but because of manager either they will switch the project or the organization thinking that all the manager in the organization are same.
With reference to: Talented men leave. Dead wood doesn’t.
This is not always true, some people are really good who stay for long time in the organization.
I agree with you Ashish..
Defenitely Agree with you Ashish!
Ashish, Talented men will leave if the circumstances are not good, Talented will get n number of options, whereas Dead wood doesn’t
Disagree, Some of the Dead wood are making chance for Talented men. Note that all (Talented) are good for everything and look at our fingers, is it equal in length and size.
Talented never wait for a chance from the dead wood. every fingers has its on specialized task, all are good but the area were you apply is most important.
Bingo ..!!
I have worked for a company whose second name was stress. I still opted to work for that company because I had a wonderful manager. It’s just because of that manager I kept on working there though later I had to leave that company for some personal reasons.
ab tu bahar ki hava kh rha hai isliye bol rha hai
its realy a true fact most of the gys try to aavoid leaving but the are compailed
Nice one… Ya it’s true. An employee’s perception on company based on the Manager under he works
Premji Is correct..
Regards’
Ex employee
Wipro BPO Kolkata
DB SME KV
Well and perfectly said.. 100% correct.
Same story in all IT companies in India and abroad. Managers are sole responsible for people leaving the companies.
ya i too experienced the same managers don’t assign a work finally they said your performance is bad.without giving the work how can we show our performance.bad managers!
Not only it happens in IT companies, it happens in every organisation…
very much correct..
absolutely true – managers make or break a man – man with manners is a good manager – and without manners is a damager – to people and to organisations , i remember few damagers , right from the start of my career , r s sivasubramaniam , prem kumar of darshak ltd j m ahuja (aptly named a huge ass) ashok zalpuri ,dinakaran, vittal kumar, nair pradip kumar, all corpse of the corporates all served no puropose for the co or self , with their culture so repulsive i quit the corporate
Its not only the managers but also the salary hikes that make the people leave the organisations. If Company X is paying Y amount of salary for an employee, but if Company A is paying almost double amount of salary for an employee for the same kind of work that they are doing in Company X. People would obviously prefer to leave weather they are talented or not for the pay hike.
Also, few company dont pay the salary that the people deserve, but make them work as if they are born to serve the company.
This also leads to people frustration. I am working for a reputed organisation for the past 6 years and I am very happy working for my company irrespective of my managers or salary because I like my work profile. 
So the bottomline in my opinion is: People not only leave becuase of the managers, but also because of not liking the job profile (This happens if organisation recruit the employee for one platform and make them work in another platform, which is what happening in most of the IT organisations) and dissatisfaction in salary (weather current salary or hike in the salary)..
yes i agree
i dont agree, if someone dont like his current project, if he has a good manager he will opt for another projetc where he feel more comfortable rather swapping the job…he will sap to another company as a second option in this case….
to your hike point – its again based on your manager who can promote for hike – means represent yourself to HR for appropriate hike.
There comes the policy into picture…the managers unfortunately cannot do anything if Company X is paying almost double (as I have mentioned in my original post) than what he/she is getting and had to relieve the employee…
Its not only the managers but also the salary hikes that make the people leave the organisations. If Company X is paying Y amount of salary for an employee, but if Company A is paying almost double amount of salary for an employee for the same kind of work that they are doing in Company X. People would obviously prefer to leave weather or not they are talented.
Also, few company dont pay the salary that the people deserve, but make them work as if they are born to serve the company. This also leaves people in frustration. I am working for a reputed organization for the past 6 years and I am very happy working for my company irrespective of my managers or salary because I like my work profile.
So the bottomline in my opinion is: People not only leave becuase of the managers, but also because of not liking the job profile (This happens if organisations recruit the employee for one platform and make them work in another platform, which is what happening in most of the IT companies) and dissatisfaction in salary…
i agreed ……..kanak
We cannot say completely it is the only reason why employess leave organisation but yes it can be a major reason for employes to leave their loving organisation,
My Experince : i too faced issue with my manager in the past for not giving importance to me and decided to quit the company once my bond completd suddenly i got chance in one more project where the manager is very cool and open minded so i have droped al my plans.
Recently my manager got changed and new manager was very intrested in Micro level management to prove themselves and within 15 days every one in team started duscusing about their carier and now so many started their trails.
It can be a best live example to support above lines.
now what is it? – read the article carefully – u were saved from second stage
Not only managers but also colleagues, all in all the people around you and above you are the reason you will want to stick around or quit.
Yes , seconding Nav’s point. There should be peer pressure, but it should be healthy. Again its the capability of the Manager to bring in good work envirinment.
Very Accurate!!! Do Some thing to identify such managers and throw them out (or) teach them the proper management skill by conducting some internal management programs ( i don’t think they are that smart to learn (my managers) — anyways right person should not get punished.). i had seen many good people left because of one such bad manager. I personally felt its better to throw that manager out of organization instead loosing some 7 to 10 extremely good resources. Its very easy to identify such managers!!! Long run of such managers can really bring down the brand value!!! I liked the organization for its policies!!!
Ex Employee
Regards.
I am glad Azim Premji know this… infact he knows this even when I was with wipro 2006-2008. I use to hear the same thing from Azim Premji those days….. Has he done anything yet?.. answer is NO. So guys, get back to work things will not change.
In 2010 my younger brother faced same issues. Wipro for the first company for me and my brother.
I was keen to learn, started private learning, gained knowledge so i managed to get rid of it, some of my old colleagues who were not as much talented are still in Wipro, they have now completed 5-8yrs….. many times they did send me their CVs but they are dead wood can’t qualify an interview…. And now I bet they won’t, they are good for their company, but they are zero in industry.
But I would say… Wipro is best company for Managers.
So so so true .. I would be happy to work in a place were my manager is good to me and nice to me … after reading this, I realize now everytime I switched companies it was because of the manager not the company.
The company may have internal oppurtunity to move to a better job role to your needs but at the same time they have given the “MANAGER” the power to lobby and put up terms like “PROJECT NEED” and hence can’t be relived. Such a lame insecure person (with really no offence meant to girls, but you are much better off than this “CLASS” of people). I hope these morons die in the expensive cars they ride around in, by sucking up the incentives of the poor people
i do agree with the same…… even though project changes in the same company, managers wont allow to survive anywhr in the organization…
self exp…-:(
exactly anonymous…..i too came up with above lines
I really liked the article and strongly agree with it.
Annual increment in any poresent company is always 5 – 15 % or max 25% in spite petrol rates increased 6 -8 times in 2011 but changing job gives 25% – 40% or some time upto 50% may be more….
Learning for companies, annual increment should be based on “as they are hiring new employee”
not the percentage hike on prevoius year salary…
Learning for employees: change job after increment in current job
Employees learnt this; when companies will learn
well said ..!!!!!
100% CORRECT NOT ONLY IN IT CONCERN ITS IN VERY CONCERN ,IN MANUFACTURING SECTOR TOO……
Thanks Prem For sharing such a nice Truth….
Manager are made for creating team ….
But they are Damaging the Team-Damager (Manager)
gud article..:)
This is a simple and yet most profound finding, I hope that it will reach many eyes and ears, awareness can make a huge difference, as in the case of AIDS awareness, Bullying, Hazing, so on and so forth. Dr Premji, you have earned yourself a Ph.D for this eye opener of a thesis,which has been staring us in the eye and we still didn’t see it.
So why do u think the managers leave???
that means who doesn’t leave are dead wood?
no, it means you are working with good managers and in good working environment with good pay for your work.
Very right truth
I totally agree with the article. If the manager is a sitting duck and cannot really improve an employee’s enthusiasm then he becomes a very costly liability for the company.
Another major reason why an employee would chose to leave the organisation is the responsibilty and role he is playing in the company. If the responsibility given is meagre and added to that, there is a moron for a boss who can only add sarcasm, any human employee is bound to leave the organisation irrespective of its policies.
not only due to mangers but also due to company policies also plays a major role ………..and one more thing dude i found one more line in this page that Talented men leave. Dead wood doesn’t.”" not talented selfish and greedy people always try to chnage for every penny.
If this article is from the CEO of wipro, then being a wiproite, I would ask him, kindly solve this problem in our organisation.
I have beeen with the org since last 3.5 yrs & I dnt want to leave the org for similar reason.
What I have learnt in past few days. Currently wipro is a company of managers. we want wipro to be a company of leaders.
Thanks
weell said…
Things will never change. The statement is correct “People leave managers not companies,” as well as “Talented men leave, dead wood doesn’t”. But the fact is companies can afford to lose one employee rather than team manager as he is holding the team and running the project. Company knows the manager is the only reason who can make employee leave or stay back. But shouldn’t
100 % correct
employees leaving the company because of project manager politics.
PM will give good hike to the people who are buttering them.
Awesome!!! Can’t agree more.
Some people get hike and good projects even though they don’t know the basic. Managers favourite will always shine, no matter what’s his performance.
ha ha ha….I had a good career growth with different opportunities in Wipro, but I left Wipro after 7 long yrs, because of some crap policy enforced by organization and manager. However I don’t regret for it.
Its not all HR or Mangers do its coz of all people from top to bottom..
Employees try to make der profit by putting others image down and make their impression and up level guys only think abt der profit and relations with HQ..
We cant take any big step to change the way of working but yes managers can do but they dont coz of fear and their own ruling behavior…
Hope Azim Premji conveys the same thought within his organisation and ensure that his managers are imbribed with this thought.
It is very true people leave managers not the company, but the thing is why it is not followed in the very own company of mr. premji i.e wipro, can u pull down the attrition sheet of wipro at navi mumbai (vashi) it has more then 150 emplyees in the year 2011 and the nos goes on, the article just the analysis it will be followed by non.
Becouse the route cause is us, if a company has a client and the 100% work is done by the employees it will be never ever satisfactory to the client as they are humans, and what every human brain says now a days is what benefits we will get, so the managers are all perfect but the client force company for never ending supply even it has reached to 100%, and company forces more to the managers and it is been carried forward to us, so it is noting but human tendency to demand more and more even though the resource are been finished, as we have guys look out for more salary and benefits companies clients also require the same, i think this analysis is booghas, they coould have analysied more about the common human nature.
Good luck to all of us.
You always cant blame the manager. Wat if the managers have give appraisal based in bell curve, get over ruled by superiors, life runs by a simple policy …. Wat goes around comes around. People thought that jobs are a difficult thing to get, but that is no longer the scenario. Market has lots of opening and everyone wants to grow. Managers can only plan for the employee not for employee’s family and personal life. Change policy and
A Manager is always the easiest one to blame. But not many understand that the manager is caught between implementing company policies and making profits and employee expectations. Balancing the two is just a myth because, there is not upper limit to both the factors and so at every point in time the scale will tilt.
I have been managing people for close to 12 yrs now and I realize that while every employee expects the company to do everything and more, they in turn are willing to do only so much for the company. Good HR polices, good canteen, nice salary and yet they will refuse to work one hour more to get a job done. Or refuse to show up at work at the slightest pretext or sneeze. Commitment does not mean coming to office and staying 9 hrs, but it means trying everything within one’s reach to ensure the job is done in the shortest possible time and in the best possible manner.
In the example cited above, if Mark quit the 2nd company after 8 months it means he ran in two managers of the same type in less than one year. So probably his expectations are very different from what both the companies had to offer. A manager is just a medium to communicate the company policies to the employee. One cannot blame the messenger.
Its good that Premji knows abt it… When they know that the managers are the root cause for employees leaving the company, why no action is taken against them?? And if something goes wrong in production they will catch hold of employees and screw them. They will not think why the mistake has happened…
This is true Azimji sir, I have worked for your company for around 3 years, i quit that only because of two manager, and they are Sanjay Agnihotri and Anand Savla, I have told these to HR also in Exit Interview but there is no action taken, And frankly speaking many people in your organization are fed up of Anand Savla. And same question am also asking if you know that managers are root cause then why are you not taking any actions against them.
A good manager should be technically strong and also have good hold of people management. He should back his subordinates in crucial junctures instead of throwing the blame on his own employees. Really true that employees leave the managers.
Proud to be called X-wiproite then being called wipro-ite…
I worked for your organization for 2.5 years….I was a experience of a lifetime in terms of learning.
I have a point here to make:companies like Wipro hire the raw talents from colleges n institutions,train them properly,(I consider wipro’s fresher training to be one of the best in the industry),these folks work for the organisation for 2-3 years..incase they get an onsite oppurtunity,then maybe 5-6 years…then these highly trained and experienced folks disappear in the thin air…..And this procedure goes back to where it started…
My point is when a person has to go through humiliation n foul words everyday, who would love to lose self-respect.But Mr.Premzi has still not realized why this happens….its due to the fact that 90% of managers are technically dumb…even a college graduates have more IQ than them,,,and who exactly are the managers does anyone knows …they are the “dead woods” of the organisation…
So,if Mr.Premzi is serious about the issue then please eliminate the dead woods at plant level and create a OMBUDS type of thing for employee redressals against managers…..
Atleast this will see attrition rate of Wipro become termination rate for managers,,,,,,
I have just quit my job because of my MANAGER Mr.K.Soni(ad user-kcsoni)…that s** of a b**** is shitting in Australia with Wipro’s and Clients’s money without being eligible even for a B1 or B2 engineer.
FYI:I left Wipro when I still had a valid H1B visa with me from Wipro.
I feel Manager are just one of the reasons. Being a lady..what can we expect. I have seen managers giving preferences to their drink and smoke buddies more priority than eligible people. So where’s the justice. When managers are good and they give good support ..policies and normalisation process … just kills our hopesof growth. Only way employees get good hike is by switing companies.
Well, when we say employees leave managers, we must not ignore that because of them only some do stay also. I worked with Wipro for 6 years at a stretch and had a wonderful work environment there. I have seen the company staying at both sides of the table.
Money is THE factor, why GOOD RESOURCES LEAVE. Salary just do not get revised at market rate. No doubt it has some of best, in industry, HR policies, but worst in the class pay structure. I would like to make Mr. CEO understand, that entire world best understand the word of money. All good words to satisfy human intellects comes later. Its everyone’s right to have a good life (even after spending avg 10-12hrs a day in office). I believe people do not commit a mistake if the best performing person’s salary is equal to a mere fresher in the industry.
If 20 people work in same team and the best performer comes to know that his compensation is lowest among all, that is the time he/she feels humiliated. When he comes to know that it is so, because he stayed in the company for too long and the guy drawing double, was hired freshly from market, the thought gets strengthened. Finally, when he goes to HR and earn a deaf ear, he starts searching for job.
Very true…each and every word of it… Most Top MNCs have standard policies and procedures, it is the managers who have different temperament and reason for employees to get disgusted.
work environment is most important than money.Managers destroys it,So the next choice will be a new company. simple….
A nice read after a long time and its exactly true !!
People quit organizations for a better pay (Not always) but managers (onsite\offshore) who can comfort the employees with bettert thoughts and ideas.
Its very true that employees quit due to managers…
I agree with this below comments..
“Money is THE factor, why GOOD RESOURCES LEAVE. Salary just do not get revised at market rate. No doubt it has some of best, in industry, HR policies, but worst in the class pay structure. I would like to make Mr. CEO understand, that entire world best understand the word of money. All good words to satisfy human intellects comes later. Its everyone’s right to have a good life (even after spending avg 10-12hrs a day in office). I believe people do not commit a mistake if the best performing person’s salary is equal to a mere fresher in the industry”.
It happnes with me.:)
My point is when a person has to go through humiliation n foul words everyday, who would love to lose self-respect.But Mr.Premzi has still not realized why this happens….its due to the fact that 90% of managers are technically dumb…even a college graduates have more IQ than them,,,and who exactly are the managers does anyone knows …they are the “dead woods” of the organisation…
the managers of the co. are bloddy bastards. They don’t do any work rather make their work done by their juniors,
U r a kid,
Managers means – Manage the job not to do the job
Juniors are only suppose to do the job.
When u wull become Manager, u will understand well
Grow up Mr Sharma. First Learn what is the meaning of manager/lead.
Hi Sharma sir, Do you mean to say that, there is no corporate culture for juniors…
Are juniors slaves..?
Or u want some bossism in Corporate world..?
A delivery manager called Ashish Sharma is Finacle Head at Infy. He is the kind of manager who abuses his subordinates. he is the super chaatu and screws all the ethics of Infy. He should be kicked out ASAP. He is bloody corrupt fellow. He screwed up many projects at Infy as well
AK
Instead of posting comment here take action at ASHI program at Infy.
Are you his manager or his subordinate !!!
He must be delivering his responsibility……….
Now its upto how you to understand his work …………………..
It means ur manager & his boss & other Deptt all are Super CHATU
Not possible
Whole world can not be wrong.
only u ………..
Hello Mate, Understandable the same with a lady named Lourdes Mary Anitha Fernado in Wipro project .. She is So horrible lady any villan will bow his head in front of her. She comments on dress,makeup. Timings. She will only hire people for the project who left with no hope on earth so that they will do everything what she wants…She will even ask the subordinate to get her groceries for her home..Many have told which is a wonder!!!!!…..Secondly a dirty PIG named ramakrishnan.venugopal@cognizant.com who is wortest !!!! man …Married having KID but a pathetic LUST Man, cant describe him WACK!!!! . He wont even spare even a married ladies forget about freshres unmarried women who are victim..He should be given in the hands of “Mahila Mandal ” for better refreshement which his parents has forgotten to do . Many ladies have left the team because he cant stand touching or having dirty look on any women in a company/ anywhere everyday .
Excellent analysis. Now , need to solve the same. Then only a result will happen for this discussion
Hey guys, y r v posting comments when it will end up nowere, we r just waisting our time, this will continue any how, it is like demand and supply, they not going to take kind of actions on the managers they just analyz, ono global actions will be taken, and who ever posted that company will think about employees not there families is the most stupid manager in the world, we employees are working to manage our financial needs, and this stupid manager doesnt know’s that nobody will remain single everybody will hasve families, again this so stupid we r posting our comment here, we are just waisting time thats it, i thing i like to share is nobody is born talented or learned, our company should give us a chance to prove our self by promoting us.
guys dont waste time here enjoy they life companies thinks that if one employee leaves we will get two as it a very competative world.
Here is an example to the companies who thinks like this:
If there are 10,000 youth, out of which 5000 is currently working if a company thinks that two employees left now they will get 4 employee from the rest 5000 if they offer something these 5000 desire, remember company that 4 employees will leave soon for more better pakage and now 5000 – 4 is 4996, so the 4996 will end up soon for more and more better pakage and after that what they will do shut down tthe company, or wait till the new born babies get qualified for that job.
This all part of daily life. This morning one of the IT professional told in TV that my salary is just Rs. 2,800.00 per month. Is it manager problem. There is reason for any action. All comments are reactions.
Ha Ha Ha Ha
Good
Its absolutely true.. Employee leaves manager and not the company.. He cannot tolerate humiliation .. Thank you now I am clear about what my problem is..
My Dear
If Manager is a problem, why dont u talk to his boss , HR, PR & Owner etc.
Do u thing u r a prefect man.
Have your company kicked u out. ….. NO
Hv ur manager kicked u out …………….NO
They r trying to improve you……………
Then what u r doing ……… Getting improved and now telling that boss is wrong.
Sorry, u r a thankless guy / kid
Though I support Mr. Sharma, but not the way the reply was put in. It’s quite some time since I am into the cursed role.
Look Hritesh, I believe you are not cursing the entire breed of managers, but your immediate supervisor. When I as at your age, it happened even to me as well. If you want to come to any conclusion you must have to look at the bigger picture. See if I can give you some food for thought.
From my experiences mainly the demands are
1. “I am not paid adequately for the job I am doing” – You must understand that every company has a organization structure. HR is the one who takes care of these complains. At max, your manager can reach your voice to concerned HR. Supervisors reach is very limited ( I already showed my grievance in this topic earlier)
2. ” This is not the Job I am supposed to do, I am an engineer from ABC college” – Did you get the flavor of arrogance in the sentence? Is it a right approach towards work? and no way professional in any industry, be it NASA. Read interviews of Mr AK Azad, he used to carry parts of rockets in the back of his cycle.
3. “I am good at this, you are asking me to do that” – Change is the name of the GAME. Think an IIT engineer is becoming an investment banker after getting his MBA degree.
4. “My rating is poor, I deserve more” – Rating system says where you stand in comparison your peers. Hence if you belong to a group of genius, its more likely that best of the lot will get better rating. Hence look at your peers and ask the question to yourself first. If you dont get the answers please check the actual contribution you made.
Historically proven, its very to easy to point finger to someone rather than justifying own actions. There are some bad people whom you met. Trust me, they would be equally bad even they turns out to be your peer, instead of managers.
Hi,
I appreciate your concern and reply. I was in an MNC and I moved out after 10 months to find an engineering job after taking up a course. I got the job even before I completed the course. I am loving my job now. The manager there helped me a lot while I was coming out. I do know that every one is not same . There are good managers too. Here the manager keeps slowing me down, he indirectly asks me to share others mistake, I really till date do not understand that. Doesn’t that humiliate me? He himself will not be clear about the problem and will keep asking me to redo the same job. Doesn’t that pull me back. I am not one of that kind who will allow someone to kick me out or wait till they do that.
Hello elder I might have not been very clear in the previous comment. Does this convince you? You might be a good manager but think out of the box. Every one may not be like you. In the above comment did I say I am not going to solve the issue. I concluded saying I got an idea why I was feeling dull for the past few days.. Sorry, You are a thank less guy.
My comment is for Mr. Sharma.
Dear Xwiprot,
Thank you.
I guess here we got answer for the whole topic a good manager v/s a manager who cannot convey things in right manner (bad manager)
The same person, same concern, same solution but the 2 ways of approach is the one which makes an employee understand the situation and hold back…
I DO AGREE WITH IT BECAUSE I LEFT WIPRO ABOUT SAME REASON
It means you have very limited vision.
u r a kid, who cant improve / change his atmosphere.
You always want everything right, but you dont have guds to make/ improve everything right.
I am sure you will always be in trouble in all other jobs also.
Hope u will remember my words.
Are you working for only one company from the day u joined…?
If yes then you are really great…
but if no… answer your self….
and its a kid again asking you dis…
Hey Guys
Agree that most of the employees are leaving org due to Managers .. but i dont understand when HR takes your exit interview of employees than they mention different reason – like – salary hike or good job profile. If emloyee leaving the org due to Manager than he should mention that thing in Exit interview so that HR can take few steps so that no one else leave due to the same reason..
Agree Managers are worst ..But its employees duty to accelerate that thing to HR or Higher Management regarding this. If employees come together than HR will take strict action against Manager.
Every one is saying the same thing but no one is taking the step to stop this… Its better if you initiate and give your examples to other.
All the best
:)
A big question… Is’t AHP suppose to ‘manage’ the conglomerate called ‘Wipro’ ? Which makes him a manger too
I think many people leave organizations as well if the policies are not good. Many companies do not value their employees (maybe due to ease of replaceability) and an astute talented employee will know that. So the reason talented people leave is due to policies that might put them at par with the dead wood or because they are not treated well by the organization itself. Managers may be a problem, but even their actions are in some way influenced by some policy of the organization. Conflicting goals for managers maybe one reason.
The top management might want to look into developing good managers through various ways.
Managers cannot be taken as whole and sole responsible when a person leaves the job. There are many reasons why person leaves company…
I left wipro because the manager humiliated me and I felt disrespected. for the two years that I worked in Wipro I felt when there is an escalation the manager tries to identify where the employee failed and nails the blame on him. (in this case Me). Yes I made mistakes but my manager was there only to point it out at the end not to correct it. the humiliation continued for two years until a point where I got another job. didnt leave wipro. left the environment. its a little better in a non wipro environment but nothing outstanding…. sadly it has always been this way for me … its been a little over 12 years… and some how I have not enjoyed the aligations leveyed against the manager in this forum because I myself have been a people manager for more than 6 years now…
looks like Wipro is still ASIS – the same reason i saw many post above…
Its absolutely true.. Employee leaves manager and not the company.. I left my old company for the same reasons. I think atleast 10 times before leaving. Discussed many time with the HR. HR’s are just puppets. So I left the company. But still I miss my old company.
for an individual, it dosent matter how the company is, first he looks around the atmosphere where he is working, whether it is a good project, how were the rest of the colleagues, how his manager is responding. i agree obsolutely with premji…if manager creates a good environment with in the project and team… stepping out of the company would always be the second thought for any one…
Its with most of them and I left the COmpany and I am stillin touch with my manager…Salary also plays a vital role…People here are talking about Managers but how many would have changed for Salry no one want to be honest…If you are gievn 50% you dont even think abt co..this fact just accept it..if you are in same co and get 5% hike a year you will feel demotivated as ur peers have or juniors have left fo rbetter salalry and you also need those comforts..
When do I really move from one job to another? These are my reasons: 1. When my current salary hike isn’t enough. 2. When I am being managed way too commercially by the Management to tolerate. 3. When there is no consensus between the job described during offer and the job assigned, and is not being justified, in time. In simple words, when I feel tricked into a job profile. (The more honest, the better.) 4. When I find myself a job and a role that will enable me to contribute more. 5. When the changes happening, makes my profile less valuable. 6. When staying in the job any longer hinders my career growth. And I agree with the Manager part.
The Truth.
What Premji said is absolutely correct. But just point out the facts is not enough…..
Now as he is having the core reasons for attrition , lets see what he can do for his fellow employees to improve the work environment and make them happy, and at the same time reduce attrition…
In Wipro those managers who are doing our appraisal never seen us also ….
manager harami hote hain saley. lead to jalaad hote hain. tats why people leave company. expoilt karte hain leads. khud kuch karte nahi n sara kaam junior ki maarte hain
Is It True that people leave the companies only because of managers. No, I strongly not agree wd dis. What if u are working like a machine and in the end of month u are getting a paycheck which is not even suitable to satify u also. U are on the same profile as your friend is working in other company but the difference between between the salary is huge. Today govt.job is paying more than IT companies. These companies are getting much more from their client but they will pay very less to their employees. I agree money is not everything but anyone tell what can u buy in the market without money.
So the bottomline of my thinking is that managers are not the only reason but salary is rather a bigger reason. Ur salary will not increase if you are in a company for many years but if you will switch and come back to the same company, u wl see that ur salary would be much more as compared to ur collegue who are in the same company for the timebeing u left the company.
Regards
Ravi
Well..I guess.. the reason discuss here is truly aweosme and 80% people left the organization because of Mad managers.
But i have very few concerns here , apart from the manager sake..
If the Employee is not getting his/her platform for which he/she was hired .. then who is responsible for that .. Generally HR comes into that picture but actaully HR has no roles in that once any manager hired you for a project and he will not leave you before 18 month as per policy .. So in that case , Employee has to quit his job to save his career and technical knowledge.
Please raise this issue and think about this.. I request that ,please give the exact platform for which employee was hired.. I am victim of this case.
there are many resons to levae the company. we can not just blame mangers or policy.
the work profile also should change and salary too. Ironically these two things are in managers ambit.
The fact in wipro i understood is that, most of managers are not having any management skills or even not at all communication skills but they are promoted to their roll just because they are having very good relationships with higher management and that’s the reason they are surviving and earning a lot.
If Premji really want to verify then they have to check the resignation data, it’s fact that management resign is not even 1% compared to end employee resignations.
Manager relocation OR re-allocation will definitely give very good result….Think….:)
Anna… you rock..!! Hope AHP takes a heed of what all is written here.. The managers are in most cases real ‘dead wood’. The higher you go in hierarchy the count of rigid (or stubborn whatever you like) people increases. In the offer letter it is clearly mentioned that location can be as per business needs however it seems to be applicable only for employees down in hierarchy tree..
We can only sigh (in relief or despair
) and wait for the change to happen.. Hope magic turns the dead wood to be in atree with new branches 
Reading through article and all comments posted, I doubt PCMM L5 companies are missing ORD – Organization Research and Development wing, is this being outsourced or insourced with HRD, Has anyone did impact analysis over time for business long run, if so what is the peer pressure growth rate in-turn compared with growing economies of scale. I guess Companies need Management consultant help to procure these issues, strategies for managing root cause should be set at liberty, exercising benefits and growth factor. Its a very good thought provoking article by Premji, though its simple and everyone knew about this issue over time. Instead of figuring Why employees and managers leave, it would be wise to frame strategies and analyze spend costs over time, this would improve employee growth factor & maturity level of culture / employees in an organization. Moreover, rationale thought of self empowerment on Indian grounds have not reached to a equal workmanship attitude, instead of figuring reasons it may be difficult to do through analysis and frame strategies around it, however for Indian entrepreneurs have to / need to survive next wave of change management raising from west, its time now, are you ready? to improve your change strategist? I leave this to Entrepreneurs of present to decide future, I am just a watcher.
Top Ten Reasons Why Large Companies Fail To Keep Their Best Talent.
1. Big Company Bureaucracy.
2. Failing to Find a Project for the Talent that Ignites Their Passion.
3. Annual Performance Reviews twisted scenario’s.
4. No Discussion around Career Development, missing leadership development while you have delivery on revenue cycle.
5. Shifting Whims/Strategic Priorities.
6. Lack of Accountability and/or telling them how to do their Jobs.
7. Top Talent likes other Top Talent.
8. The Missing Vision Thing.
9. Lack of Open-Mindedness.
10. Who’s the Boss?
The company had all the right systems in place employee-friendly human resources (HR) policies. –
Systems are not enough, Systems are meant to be driven, there is no such thing as automation unless rules / regulations enact on it, even rules and regulations are driven by people.
Though Systems are in place, when employee gets good offer leaves his current organization. Therefore People leave managers not companies. However Large Companies Fail To Keep Their Best Talent. Here is the key for everything, may be different people have different reasons but looking from organization development perspective, things that companies failed to do.
1. Managers, Supervisors, Subordinates failing to recognize Or Given less importance – Leadership Development happens at multiple levels within the Organization – Not just below the C-Level.
2. Leader preferences though systems are in place, Organization failed to take action after assessment, just stops after assessment & delivering results, failed to forsee where Leaders Are At Today, to Measure Where they will be Tomorrow.
3. Difficulty of Continuous process improvement team Meet with your Boss to discuss the Results of the Assessment and Build an Action Plan when Project Managers run projects on revenue based environments.
4. No reports made visible tracking the Leadership Development Action Plan over time.
5. Leadership missing ability to encourage mentors in current project rather forcing employee to commit on stringent deadlines will definitely experience these consequences.
6. Leaders missing ability to foresee employee / subordinates career development and efforts taken towards it rather just recording comments only at the time of performance review and rating.
At some point in time, life needs some sort of settlement, even talented men needs to get their career growth, so whats happening, are we Bureaucratic to make these talents go dead wood???, there is something beyond Talent, fellow men should understand, “Attitude”, Attitude gives you growth not talent, Talent is only key to entry, its like Fuel, just Fuel never drives a car, Your attitude to approach your system, cross check with open-mindedness on system, None of these organizations record attitude. Only performance and rewards gets recorded, how to develop attitude, a positive approach to good business, attitude to maintain employment & employee behavioral ethics, As a consultant I would recommend ORD to improve (Strategy) certain exercises that has direct impact on employees & their leader, this will change organization direction & soon over time all organization directions change. I guess Talent people slowly getting their mind eroded on technology based talent development rather than improving their management skills – deadwoods,
Agreed… i left my first organization because of manager…. thinking same about current organization….. managers sucks big time…
Employee leaves if a company has incorrect compensation and not up to the market standards.
I also left wipro for the same reason and I had the worst experience in wipro during my tenure. i reported to HR also but they didn’t respond at all. May be, managers and HR people believe that they will get another resource easily. Both managers and HR people equally responsible for this since if any employee report also nobody takes any action.
See,
Managers are soft Target. NATURALLY Employee is reporting to him, so he will be a major reason, but out of 20 people if 1,2 or 3 is leaving it means Managers is able to retain rest 17 Employees.
For a Employee, Manager is company ( 90%) , If HR is working well, Employee’s mentality will be known by him & get improved. If HR is week they will never know who is leaving and why.
Exit feedback in only eyewash, but it can be fruitful, if HR has good relations, he will know all facts. Even when when Employee write wrong things on paper, but he express right thing personally to HR, which should be noted.
may be those 17 having other reasons to stay there not the manager… I am not saying that manager are the bad people in organization but every body in an organization look for their benefit, if they are sure that they are going to get what they want they’ll stay there other wise they too will leave the organization…
I have just changed 3 companies and I have seen both kind of managers who are always helping and caring and some of them were so rude that they just don’t care about any employee… in personal they were kind and humble some times… after all they are also human beings…
Be a kind person not a rude and understand the employee… employee will definitely return you what you expect from them…
i apologize if i said any thing wrong or hurt some one….
Dear All,
We can’t argue with Prem Ji,
but it is his one of the view / reason only, it can ‘t be final & only view/ reason.
Otherwise what is the use of HR, TIme office, PR, Different certifications like ISO, TS etc etc
if Manager has to handle all, what is role of other all deptt / people
If this is the only reason, it means company is not company — it is one man show ( like LALA ji )
Hi,
Please conduct an anonymous feedback program in your company. Feedback should be collected in printed hard copies. I’m sure that you will get surprised!!
God Bless!
VERY WELL SAID..AND WHATEVER WRITTEN BY THE GREAT PREMJI IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.. And above all this every companies have an organisation for betterment of the agents,they always ask the agents to share their thoughts and complaints,if any..However,if any agents complaint regarding their manager noone reacts as if nothing happened..as if agents are not human being..
I had been a good manager, people liked to work under me, or at least that what they said. More reason to believe is that some employees would keep it as a demand when they resigned that they would stay if they move to my team.
What was the reason when I look back?? And my first assignment as a manager for a team of 18 members.
The targets were set for the team, no means defined. So people could work from home, office anytime they like, all they had to do is succeed. And the team did succeed, we were the best among 8 other teams all the time. The other team leads thought they could think of the means better than the team members and thrust those on the members. This doesn’t work as employees cannot alter the means even if they think it does not suit them. Ultimately the team does not get it right and the team lead goes back to the drawing board.
I always lead by example during a crisis, and we faced many. For example during a major global crisis which lasted a month, we had to change from 8 x 5 operations to 24 x7, with the same number of people. I created a weekly ROTA and put my name on it, when it was rolled out I did not hear one word of frustration.
But company policies did the damage, while they did not cut on wasteful travel, they did ensure my best engineers did not get the pay they deserved. They did ensure that all niche skill bonuses got eliminated. So I lead the way to the exit, and was first to resign, most of my colleagues followed suit. So if its not the manager then its the company policy that’s the damager. I would urge companies to focus on ground realities rather than hiring HR consultants or rely on industry surveys.
Truly agree (Sentiments in below reply)… Seeing the dismal scenario I referred my mangers to my new org and atleast now they are happy…
Its utter rubbish and baseless without any facts, when you don’t find the facts and real reasons you play the game of blame the rain..What are your facts and reports ?
Does it mean an attrition of 23% (approximately 1/4 of the employee base) is primarily due to bad Managers ? Why do you have so many bad Managers ? How do you groom and develop managers ? Did you get into why the managers are behaving in this way ? What measures have you taken ? It is easier to wash your hands by just blaming the immediate supervisor or managers…
I suggest Mr Premji to conduct a survey with their ex-employees to get the real facts and then communicate this transparently.
Superlike… As you said about immediate supervisors getting all the bashing for the attrition is quite wrong. The funny thing is if a manager is good enough to act like as a firewall and absorbs all the insult without percolating it to the team some dead wood above him/her will ensure to make his/her life hell and the result is known to all.
And if you keep on travelling this ‘immediate supervisor’ link AHP should realise that he is in some part responsible for all what is happening.
Hope things go well soon..!
Talented employees will leave company for salary hikes also. If you are working in a company for more number of years you will not get good hike.
Dont agree completely… There are many more ppl who primarily leave for salary as in this example the guy did the first time.. may be it is a 50:50, but managers are one side of this problem and the corporate culture/policies/HR/Salary are the other side of the problem…
Most of the employee dont want to share the exact feed back of managers because he know he can create problem at the time of releaving.
Even today HR polices are ” backgroud check” and they try to call his managers to take the feedback thats why nobody want to give the right feedbackup to his managers.
I have worked with 5 different managers so far in my career and I would say if you are talented, your manager will always treat you nicely. I haven’t seen a single manager in my life who treats everyone equally. If you can be replaced by someone else within a week or so, don’t expect anything. Just accept the fact that you are not talented enough.
@Ritz: Lucky enough… However not meeting the devil does’t mean devil does’t existss !!
If you are in the same company u will be getting probably 10-15% hike. But when u move to another company, u will get about 40-50% hike. End of the day a person is working for money. Dont tell me that u work for Job satisfaction. That does come into picture when the company is paying Good. When a employee is leaving the company, why cant the company offer good package and make sure that the employee doesnt leave ???? If the company is looking for its profit , y cant a employee think about his benefits ?? Whts wrong in tat ?
One fact that i see here is : Wipro is a :Lala Company” many of my friends left because of their managers…as someone said ..not sure if anything changed now….
last month i had been selected in prestigious BPO, with handsome salary.
But when finally they asked me that if i do not get any growth in coming 2 years what would i do?
I knew that my answer could create a problem for me but i told them not to say about 2 years, if i get better opportunity in future i would definitely leave the job. Not me if anybody gets a growing opportunity he/she will move on ; THAT IS FACT.
He told me after a week that they took my this remark negatively, and for this reason i was not selected.
So, basically they want to listen from us what they want, but I think if a person says that he will not move to another company even if he gets better opportunity, so, either he is fool or he is try to making fool of others.
Salary they will decide, shifting/timing they will decide, promotion they will decide, and what we decide is how to adjust.
WE ARE NOT ROBOTS After all employees are the prime assets of a company.
And the Hr/Operation Managers should learn or understand that if they make happy to their employees then any of them will never be wanting to quit.
And that manager who had been taking my interview for half an hour could not even see in my profile that i had worked in three different co. for 4 + 4 + 3 years that shows my stability.
SO I MEAN TO SAY HOW BLIND HE WAS EITHER BY EYE OR BY MIND.
My family requested me not to say again this kind of thing but i told them that my statement for growth will be same that i will always leave for growth
CHEERS.
Well said. People always wants us to be a fool.
100% correct . what I feel also correct ..I worked with one organigation around 8 years. 6 years I worked directly under CFO and CEO was gr8 experience and after 6 years I moved to different profile and under different manager and I could not survive more then 2 years and finally I had to decide to leave organization. When I asked that new manager to leave and I was ready to serve 3 month notice period as per company policy. That manager simply told that If you want to leave early .. you can leave ..
So working 8 years for a company .. what I feel like If manager under you are working is good .. you can survive .. else you have to keep changing.. Don’t know whether manager post is having somthing wrong or a comany policies make him to behave like that … because managers are also like we people.. we also will be a manager one day !!!! So could be the same feedback from our Juniors like we are giving today.
Jai Prakash Sharma
TRUE ! policies have to change and so are employees, to keep up with the trend. If employees are of the impression that they are settled for life in an organization it is a mirage !!!. Jump on and go around yaar, it is a big world out there. Be a sport . Don’t be a girl. Explore the world around you.
Buddy wt do U mean by “DON’T BE A GIRL”..?!?!?!?!?! Those were d days lived by Our Grand Parents & Parents..! Be a Professional Dude..
Dats d spirit n being a sport
The Last line says it all… ‘Talented men leave. dead wood does’t'… And sorry to say the dead wood happens to be managers of some of the talented people… And yes thats true of most of the IT orgs.. The talent gets beamed to the dead woods the moment you decide to move on… All of a sudden you are expected to be in a better role and with better salary (which again may not be satisfying… and never is
).. Having spent 4 yers getting 3 years EE as rating (wipro employees can get it) and comes the recession you are on half salary and for that you should be greatful (or feel lucky not to be kicked out).. i still remember the quarterly meet where CFO commented on loosing the ‘FAT’ and keeping the muscles, however the mangement ensured that along with ‘FAT’ much of the blood was lost when org needed it to keep it pumped up for a healthy recovery. It did’t mattered much as the mantra in the industry is ‘If you can’t make it… buy it’
Lot said… what the ex-emps can expect is things get good.
It’s Really 100% True. I had the same bad experience. Now a days managers think like he can do anything and everything and he is owner for the organization. Keep forcing the employee .. I had very bad managers in my organization
Very True… And this Survey should be read by all the managers so that they might try atleast to improve themself….
Yes… it’s the real fact. Sometimes real facts are painful to digest
Yes, Some lines will never change. The statement is correct “People leave managers not companies,” as well as “Talented men leave, dead wood doesn’t”. But the fact is companies can afford to lose one employee rather than team manager as he is holding the team and running the projects. Company knows the managers is the only reason who can make employee leave or stay back. But some other reasons also exists.
Agreed, but it is high time that the employees need to realize that their so called managers were also at the receiving end some where down the lane in their career. Imagine this, you are a fresher in your college and your seniors always pick on you as part of ragging or something else. When you get into the second yr, you will treat or at-least have the though of treating the 1st yr guys in the same way that your seniors treated you! Isn’t it?
All the managers are not bad, it is only the situation that makes him or employees to look at him as Good or bad managers!!
Most of the employees nowadays are just looking for a reason to change their current job, so, they will obviously shift if there is anything just a little more the competitor company is willing to offer.
Yes its 100% true.. Even i left a company just because of my manager. He treats his team members in the project as his slave. I was reminded of my school days when i worked with him. He used to do lots of politics in the office. He talks very rudely. I was really shocked to hear the way he and the onsight manager were talking over the VOIP with speakers ON. They were giving least respect as if addressing an animal in their mother tongue (which is mine too) about the team members. I just tolerated them because i have signed an agreement with the company.
Self centered Managers are the reason for people quitting would be the right way to address this situation. It is generally such managers who want to keep their positions in place that they butter the senior management and make life miserable for the junior staff and colleagues in the organisation. They want all the good things to happen to them and will go to any degree and extent to acheive it but will not want anyone working under them to bypass them and acheive anything even if that person has the accumen and ability to do so. This is sad and the HR guys are another reason for people quitting organisations as they too feel and behave similarly. The HR department has all the say in fixing up a person for good or bad…. They are like any lawyer or doctor.. once they have you in their grip they can make your life as miserable as it can be..
some of the reason which i can say are as
1) change in the field…
2) change in designation…
3) hike in salary…
many of the employes, if work for a long time, are now changing their job or company may come under any of the category mentioned above.
1 s/he may be expecting any kind of change in profile or field which he is not getting… may be due to he is lacking some where or may be due to some management issues…
2 s/he may be expecting some senior kind of profile in the same field which he is not getting…
3 even if s/he is not getting any career benefit some one look for money if this part also is not satisfying then…. s/he will leave the job for sure….
some other kind of issues may be their like health issue… team co-ordination issue… management issue… but they can be adjusted if an employee getting any kind of from the company…
I am somewhat agree for that.Manager is not only a reason. everybody want to get appreciation from the organization. but some of them didnt able to show their ability.because it depends upon his project,expectation and the work suitable for his area of interest..sometimes it fails………
100% Employers will the job because of the Managaers behaviers and tatures and company ploicy will be good and even HR Policy also ok but these bludy managers will not allo to uitilize the company sperks
IT IS THE TRUTH PLS HAVE GUTTS (MANAGEMENT) TO ACCEPT THIS.
RASHEED
After working in various company in my 8 yrs of work experience, I got many example where in Managers and HR are the only reason that people looking out for new job. Even if you are a good performer and have given the company many years of service, the promotion will be in the hand of Manager only. The HR will do as per the order of the Manager. Manager can manipulate by taking all your hard work and present as his work. Humiliation is another great factor. In Indian companies manager believe that humiliating employee is in their Job role. Once they become manager they feel and pretend to be GOD
very true lines,, i am working in a company, which second name is stress, but happy because of my boss…..
Mainly people leave wipro for the rude behaviors of Managers and their worst policies.They do not count the talent of the employee instead they count, did he come to office and spend 9.30 hours, did he/she passed the Stupid UCF exam and did she/he adhere some UN-useful stuffs from wipro..
Managers in Wipro…!
Most of them are managers by time and not by talent.
With a fear of losing billing from the client, they go to any extent.
Real time situation: I resigned and was serving the notice period of two months. This wasn’t communicated to the client (Cisco) nor was there a backup plan.
When the time arrived where I had to leave in couple of days, they let the client know that there is some medical emergency in my hometown and only choice I have is to leave Wipro.
Integrity? Yea, I still remember this word being used in their vision or a mission statement.
Real time situation: At the same time, I was billed from two client for at least 20 days.
Could not agree more…..
I totally Agree with this article
ya its true…………..
i am also working as a project manager , but its true that i m also going to leave the company due to my all india project manager.
I agree , Manager play a game from day 1 until Appriasel , if he plays the game correctly then all employees continue to work , but suppose if manager plays political Game with employeees.. then sure few employees will start leaving company. The people who move for money wil be 10 % but the people who move bcoz of Mangers is 90%..
100% true..Thats my story
Even if manager are nice they are forced to behave badly by there higher up . I i don’t thing us logistics giants policy is employee friendly especially for sales . ……….. we are like ever bodies property ….. i think this company can do good in policing there own employee, and find ways to sack them for no reason .
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Totally agree
Managers are the reason employee leave the organisation.
u guys are assholes working in IT companies booh…u could not join a decent product company like MS/Google .Oh loosers
no i do not agree which above comment i am manager for past 9 year and many of works r working for us company bcas of mine
This is what I always believed: employees join a company for various reasons: for better work, better prospects, better salary whatever; but invariably they leave because they could not tolerate their managers’ actions/behaviors any more.
Absolutely correct….i completely agree.
I am sure Mr. Premji understands the core reasons behind all. If he can take steps to impove future profit margins I am sure he can take steps to improve the culture in his org or instill the right attitude in his managers to retain good people. Management attitude is like a trait that flows hierarchically from the very top to the very bottom. Mr. Premji has failed to do so till now …. he has got some very corrupt managers (like Venkat in Bensalem-client CSI and Shekaran Sury -practice director), they would conspire to bring trouble to the employees if the employees do not go by their words. All mean & cheap tactics, the account manager would ask for referrals for apartment bookings, ask employees to drop/pick up for free and they would claim the cab bills, these are few examples of corruption …. the list goes on…. Pls stop all these MR. Premji …
I agree, I left wipro because of sucking managers. Some, who are generally good to people like to play diplomatic and keep mum on most of the critical situations. Others survive on buttering.. lot of regionalism.. mallu mgrs recruit mallus, tamilian mgrs send only tamilians onsite etc. Some managers like Vinayan rajashekharan are pukka “Tharkee” managers who expect all the girls/women to behave like his arm candies. You never know when and how you get screwd if you are a genuine person. They have sucking so called policies to clear exams n all in order to get promotion. But when I did put my papers the very next day I was given a hike-cum promotion letter even though I never appeared for the exam. Heights was when my practise head calld me aftr my resignation to tell how he has done favours to those who had been his ‘chamchas’ and why i never approached him… the same guy wud never entertain me untill I resigned. Premji must try to implement his thoughts in his own Org before talking big, which am sure he’s never gonna do. There are double standard businessmen who deliver wonderful quotes and that’s it.
I feel in software, every resign is included with all constraints….
1. salary
2. HR policies
3. manager’s behaviors and finally
4. Transperency.
Many are getting feel to leave the beloved organization bcoz of lack of transparency. Managers say one thing and HR policies another. finally nobody gives the transparency to the employees.
I am sorry that some managers may be harsh, but let’s face the reality. managers do lot more and in the end they are blamed. for instance a guy who joins team as fresher get all care and attention to make him productive, the same guy completes 12 months head don’t stand on sholders decides to quit for just some hike, tell me managers spend more time in organization there fore treating them as “dead wood” is no where reasonable, to day young team wants everything free busy on mobile/chat/socializing when i comes to deliverable and adherence to policies managers are bad? the same manager fights for the better treatment for all ofcouse he will not be smiling or gigling all time that’s why he is seen as pric? one should understand “Independance comes with Responsibility”
Management is bullshit created by the bunch of jokers to ensure that they get highly paid for doing nothing
in Accenture Pune, many people from EDF group left becoz of the dirty politics and horrible managers. I remember Devendra Phadke..Senior manager.. bloddy lusty fellow.. hook on with this PMO chik..and sent her onsite with double promotion in 2 years.. leaving behin the talented and more experienced team rotting at the same place.. Another one was Kaustubh Pendse.. always pushed for marathi people for onsite roles and favour only two people on his team..All this leads to disharmony in the team
I agree with the article. I left the IT giant just because of 4-5 of my supervisors/managers, and joined it’s competitor with profound knowledge and expertise. End of the day I am beneficial as the same project is snatched away from Wipro, and having the better knowledge in the domain…I am leading the same domian. But I truly did not leave Wipro as an organization.
we find many more reason for leaving organization from my side the most important reason is not giving proper remuneration and designation to him or her as per his/her ability or skill.
I am nanager myself and I see that people leave for money and lack of recognistion.
Company does not allow to pay well to existing employees, instead it pays very well for every new exployee, this creates disparity in existing employees. Obviously people leave to get their worth.
In these days every employee facing only one problem in IT sector which is appraisal, i want to ask all of you who is responsible for it? There is the only manager who is involve in rating the employee. i also ask to all of the concern department that why the private sectors don’t have the minimum and maximum salary structure as in government section. i want to say Mr Prem Ji that we can’t blame any one for this.
I completely agree with the Mr. Premji…
However, My long stay with my current organization is because of my excellent managers, grown and the recognition for my work.
As mentioned in on the the comments above “corporate culture/policies/HR/Salary is other side of the problem” It really didn’t matter much as I was enjoying my work.
**Correcting…
I completely agree with the Mr. Premji…
However, My long stay with my current organization is because of my excellent managers, growth and the recognition i found at work.
As mentioned in one of the comments above “corporate culture/policies/HR/Salary is other side of the problem” It really didn’t matter much while I was enjoying my work.
99.9 % correct words…..from one person for all of us who does job @ for LIVING !!!
Could be right on certain cases were you are working under a dead wood
absolutely correct, totally depends on wats u r HR policies and how could u put on every level of organisation to make a better environment in organisation.
Attrition should not always be seen in a negative aspect. if an organization provides ample scope for learning and sharpening the skills, the rest of the industry players would grab its employees by paying much higher salaries. The organization should feel great for being the leader by having its own people in the entire industry. Care should be taken to ensure that employees do not leave in bad taste and should be the Brand Ambassadors. Of course the exit interviews must establish the correct and authentic reasons and the organization must analyze and work upon these in a positive way. The managers must appreciate that they shoulder a very critical responsibility and have to function as a ‘shock absorber’ between the Management and his Team. He may even has to be the punching bag for their employees allowing them to vent out. He should never be on a defensive mode and avoid getting into argument. We have just witnessed a manager getting into argumentative mode. W should also realise that we work in a commercial environment and even the employees are part of the commerce and they also look for greener pastures like the organizations looking for better paying customers. The motivated employees will be productive and the others would harm its interests. It’ a fragile commodity and must be handled with care and precaution. Wipro must look into its affairs seriously and with all sincere intent in its own interest. God bless them!
I totally agree with aforesaid. To survive in an org you need to align yourself to their standards (read politics) .. else you are screwd big time.
Wipro has a set of values and they twist the meaning of those very words to screw employees and cheat clients.
few of my experiences:
a) billing for ghost resources (resource who never exist in reality)
b) a front end application (just an html page, you click on links and nothing happens LOL) was sold to clients for a fortune
c) HR guys proudly confess that in Wipro one should not expect any work life balance.. its only work
d) damn UCF exams… one can get desired hike or promotion even if u dnt clear this, provided you gel well with ur mgr
e) people who have excellent terms with mgrs are sent on short term onsite for as long as 3 years. Benefit: they drwa both offshore and onsite salary, added expenses covered.
f) you may be a core project resource and you might have given your blood and soul to a project, but you may anytime be screwd if someone else in your team is closer to mgr.
just a few lines that was
Great Post…………………..
Last line suggest “Talented men leave. Dead wood doesn’t.”
Azmji must be looking for some Good Talent and want to leave some Dead Wood !!!!
Truely a great Leader
Untalented, regional biased crooks becomes managers in IT sector
I left the WIPRO because stupid manger don’t want mange the team and project properly while working WIPRO He never conducted any Team meeting even if team asking him to arrange a meeting hew will not Join..His Name Jiju Joseph. Due his dump management I left WIPRO …..
ITS TRUE THAT MANAGERS ARE RESPONSIBLE ,THEY SHOULD EXACTLY KNOW WHATS GOING ON INSTEAD OF LEAVING IN AN EGO THAT THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ..WHICH IS THE ACTUAL THING THAT HAMPERS THE CULTURE……WELL THEY SHOULD KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THE SITUATION INSTEAD OF CREATING A SITUATION WHERE IN GOOD PEOPLE START LEAVING THE ORGANIZATION……SAME HERE IN RELIANCE COMMUNICATION I AM NOT AFRAID OF GIVING THE NAME OF MANAGER MS.SHRIVASTAVA RELIANCE MSOC PROMISED TO BRING MSOC UP NOTHING HAPPENED AND MAJORITY OF TALENT HAS LOST.
Very nicely said, i firmly believe that managers are the reason people leave the companies . After certain point in career money does not really matter , what matters is if you are happy and go about getting the right support where managers play a big role.
However , HR policies in India are to be blamed for it . If it were any better managers would have behaved themselves , but since HR does not care about employees as the cost of hiring a manager is more than hiring 10 other employees they simply would dismiss the problem rather than addressing it which can further lead to talent loss from the organization
The bane of indian industry is that operations always dominates HR, during the exit interview the reason a person never gives the correct reason is so that his reference check comes okay or he does not get harassed to get his clearance.
HR conducts the exit interview just as a formality not as a self development tool. I have many people speaking the truth in the resignation and then the exit interview and all of them were made to suffer.
It is absolutely correct people leave bosses not organizations.
Wipro has the worst pay. How can Premzi blame the managers for people’s exit. He knows just to blame managers as he cannot give goos salaries and increments.
Why a talented employee leaves is normally a combination of a few things. Managers do count but also whether the person feels he has the space to function, part to play which he enjoys and many similar things also accounts for it. Sometimes, managers are understanding with their subordinates but are unable to make their voices heard in the top management and therefore lose their subordinates over time since they realise that even if the manager is good to them is unable to sort their problems. Organisation culture etc also matters.
yes i agree with it. There are certian constraint for which u wany to stay in company. salary, work culture, work satisfaction.As u r working under manager so its very important how the manager is towards u.Sometimes as i find managers micromonitor like school childeren, which really frustrating. The issue may be going big day by day…then u may think to release from project. When u find there is no chance to release, then there only one way path….LEAVE THE COMPANY. YES, I AM VERY MUCH AGREE WITH THIS POINT.
i also completely believe – Mr Premji knows everything and can feel the actual reasons.. It’s certainly not only Managers who are being shown as bad guy! over all policy is cruel here.,, rather people can speak about their managers in many available forum/survey. first thing is SALARY…very very poor salary….next ridiculous rules – 9:30 hrs, UCF, some more innovative fundas to run the company…and finally we are at 4th position from top-3. loosing projects, loosing bright people, supplier of groomed people for other companies!! managers are not born villain, WIPRO policy made them like this. i am not yet PM but can surely share my 2 cents – it’s not Manager, but policy…who should be rectified.
Apart from what Premji has indicated, another reason why resources leave a company – be it a software or manufacturing or any other industry, is lack of opportunities for growth the company provides over a 1 year period. If a good employee does not see his growth over a 1 year period, the employee will start thinking of options where he can grow…
True indeed
100% true…. people don’t leave company they only leave managers and its well know fact in industry since long time. And specifically India all major companies where huge amount of work force exits is worst hit . This is typically due to some reasons like people aim for manager position to escape from work and once they are tagged as manager they are not only technical/project manager they need to take additional responsibility of people management of folks under him. Now people management is not cup of tea of everyone. Its too tough then how it looks from outside.I am not blaming managers but its very simple some people are not capable of it. Our MNC’s select managers looking how many yrs they have spend in industry in past but dont judge the quality within the person to actually handle people manager role.
One company i knew divided People Management and Role Manager separate and it was good idea and it was working nicely but slowly they were not able to afford only people managers and moved on from policy and slowly attrition started in that place.
On the other hand HR dont have much intervention and its like one show piece in company where all process are in place but no one can use them to make it effective. Very few make it possible to make use of HR and get things correct but it takes huge efforts and courage. So easy option people choose is to move on. Which in turn gives new role , new compensation and new manager and tries his luck in case he likes manager .
The above article is correct up to some extent that people only leave because of horrible managers…I am leaving for better career growth and for some more money..i love my manager..she is awesome and super smart..she knows how to retain people.this is her duty after all.she is the best..the smartest lady ever met in my whole life.
I left wipro for the same reason AND even mention the reason to HR during my exit interview.However, currently that person is the head of some business unit in Wipro itself. Mr.Premji, do you really mean what you have mention? I seriously doubt.
Though lot of white papers or survey highlight repeatdely that the salary is not the key issue for people to quit…orgnization & HR ploicies tend to still revolve around the same belief…renumeration is merely an unquestionable, unactionable request from employer which is apt for the employee who is leaving the organisation…to choose this as a reason
Most of organization have corporate values imbibed into the culture of the organization but are they really adhered by word, doubtful. One of the most common value is “Respect”. Repect is simple:
1. Ability to Listen
2. Appreciate an Individual
3. Platform to challenge limits
4. Freesom to innovate
HR policies in current organisation are considered as law rather than guidelines…also they are neither culturaly aligned nor aligned to the current geo or generation demographics…Gen Y have great urge too colloborate, innovate, challenge and enjoy work and LIFE, but are organization aligned.???…Is Gen X managers aligned? Do organisation have only managers or leaders?
I agree with Mr Pritamji, My experiance thrice I left my companies because of managers. I joined a multinational company and was under the supervision of on pakistani manager,everything was going well and results were fabulos,but management merged our deptt with another one and the manager got changed now the manager was Arab now the whole situation changes, results dropped as below as ever, he never had any business stratgy, even he don’t know meaning of stratgy. He started blaming and creating big issues for nothing. It was all to hide is own poor performance and blame us for that. \
But I must say our previous manager was very talented, organised, and well planned.
Now I am also either to change the department or company.
I blame those managers who are not worth of that position.
Hi All,
This is fact that employees leaves organization due to reporting managers not to company. Wipro is very good company where I have worked for three years and learnt too much. I am very thankful to wipro and Azim Premji to get work here.
I was fed up with my reporting manager and his manager also.I did my last project very honestly for Wipro and we got Uninor business in 2009. I got appreciation from Reginoal Business Head Delhi for my job at Uninor.
At last I have changed my job due to reporting manager and his manager.I got new job and started a new journey. I am very happy this current job in United States.
Thanks too much for Wipro and Azim Premji !!!!!!!!
Wipro accepts projects at very low bids by promising wipro will deliver all the hell client wants within no time.. they push managers for good margins.. managers are forced to push team to late night and week-ends without any extra allowences. They fail to collect payments from clients. At the end, they say you project did not do well so no QPLC, no promotions. Finally immediate supervisors will be blamed for getting the team work hard and deliver the project.
And on top of all this, recriutment team promises all heaven to new joinees and HR & Resourcing managers doesn’t fullfil the same, so this leads to employee frustration, hence attrition.
very true!!
Usualy in India … SIdey Non-iitian managers do this to IItians
To an extent I can agree to what is being said. On a different note, the fault could relate to the organization’s behavior, policies, structure, bureaucratic practices etc., It should be understood that the actual work is executed at lower levels and should be rightly acknowledged rather than being a pain to the reporting lines.
There is another dimension to the whole story. A good manager takes skilled staff with him on his exit
To an extent I can agree to what is being said. On a different note, the fault could relate to the organization’s behavior, policies, structure, bureaucratic practices etc., It should be understood that the actual work is executed at lower levels and should be rightly acknowledged rather than being a pain to the reporting lines.
There is another dimension to the whole story. A good manager takes skilled staff with him on his exit
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Azim Premji himself is not a good practitioner so how come his managers become good to his employees, its of no use to blame the fucking south Indian managers, its his company and his job to maintain everything dam issues in his company.
This old dude doesnt really know what happpening is his company…this statement has come after wipro got the best manager award by hewitt….nether he care abt his emp nor his so called managers. If it goes like this WIPRO will crash like satyam in no time. totally Fuc@ked up!
i am able to relate perfectly to the article. as I am continuing in the job just because i have a good manager.
why wouldn’t a person leave, if the man on front line with the customers will be given as low as 8000? Domestic servants get more than 10000 these days.
One thing that most of them forgot is that this is not only Wipro CEO’s statement. It is also the result of survey done by Gallup on over a million employees and 80,000 managers. While this could differ on a case by case basis, It could be mostly true. If you read the book, You will concur. The article is not about why people leave WIPRO, It is about why people leave organizations.
Srikanth
What you said about the post we all agree
i m not living your company
my seniors not support me then leave company
i hope
becoz i m trying for job
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It’s all about your Perception…. If you are involved in what you are doing you will understand all the perceptions, irrespective of your designation or position.
HUMAN RESOURCE is dynamic & Social Animal. We can only put word to the behaviors. No preaching or scientific rules work in handling HR. It is difficult for a Man to apply Bell Curve on Mother & wife’s performance, isn’t!
Since we don’t know how to handle we pick up a tool. Fish can swim with the streams or against the stream, depends on the approach of the Fish. Non-human being’s understand & implement Team Work more than Humans, this is because every human has brain, and every brain thinks. That is why humans have religions (which is a particular style of living) & in same religion we don’t have one views.
The best way I can suggest is channelize the thinking of Human Resource in one direction, which can only be done by reaching to every individuals. Now the call is in the hand of respective Organization’s how do they want to achieve this, as this is not Annual or Bi-annual process. This is a continuous behavior. You may take some tips from the creator of Human Being, Great Almighty.
Enjoy interacting with God’s creation.
Regards
you are right Sir….manager is the key person ….
People leave organization bcoz the torture of TL,Managers….racism between state peoples..like tamil people dont help any non-tamil people in technical nor anything..they dont want other people to grow ….imbalance and lot of pressure by other employees either in technical/non-technical..many frnds i see they suffer a lot due to this , they leave company..
I agree that people leave companies mostly because of their managers. This is only true for managers who act like psychos. But this is not the only reason. Remember managers are employees too and they are forced to pressurise their subordinates becoz they have their own targets. Finally, the blame again drops back on higher management (CEOs and others).
Under the excuse of cost cutting, companies reduce the number of experienced guys. So, the experienced guy will not be given leaves when he asks becoz the project depends on him.
And remember, people don’t trust companies anymore. Most companies talk a lot abt employee satisfaction. None of them really care. During recession, they reduce your salaries. But, are they increasing the salaries when they get Good profits? No…They just give u a damn award.
Did the companies care when there was a major inflation in India last year. The prices of every item went up and still the companies reduced our salaries under the excuse of recession.So, obviously people will look for options to increase their salary.
I didn’t leave my job because of my manager, but because of the policies..
Finally I got a chance to revert on this. I never wanted to leave wipro but I left due to my manager & profile pressure. I have my own priorities & family as well to take care of. No support from HR(Sebati) & my manager(Anil). I had been to abroad and worked a harder where I manged two profiles instead of one and worked hard even when I was sick about 102 degrees fever. Over the period I forgot all that, but my manager did all the possible, so I thought to take a less payable job than to work in Wipro where employees are not cared. I thought to complain on Ombuds against HR & Immediate Supervisor, but thought to go away and forget rather spoiling theor future. Prior to me 5 more employees left wipro due to this kind of feeling & no bonus paid, no increment provided despite of hard work shown. I wrote feedback well before leaving.
Many Thanks for this kind of learning in the Wipro world. It left me stronger now.
Freshers & Racisim is spoiling the Wipro culture, Like many South Indians work beyond hours to show that they work more, but in reality / actually they enjoy in office timings.
Kindly have a check on this pls.
I totally agree on what is being said here. People definitely leave managers not the company. Until and unless employees get healthy and open environment to work, they keep hoping.. The best way to hold an employee is to make him realize that somebody is there to look after him in all the aspects.
There are some great managers in w_p_o too. I worked under some amazing guy named Krishnamoorthy / Vibin but sadly he came to wipro when wipro acquire CITI group technologies.
We can’t tell it is exactly like that, because managers have their own pressures from higher authorities, that could be reason they push the team members. Without a genuine reason I don’t think Manager will trouble his/her member. I guess I am right??
sridhar
it may not be your immediate manager….but many a times its his bosses who are the major driving force…..4 any1 2 quit…!!!1
We Indians have been making the same mistake consistently for the last 60 years of Independence…….relying upon some Global Consultant’s (read American) report and applying it squarely to Indian circumstances. I do not believe that people quit their Managers and not their Organisations. Take a DOG for example – If you give him Glucose biscuit and your neighbour gives him Cream biscuit, where do you think he will go?? He will still wag his tail at you and not bark, but would prefer your neighbour. The same applies to corporates!!!
Inspired,thoughtful & dedicated true writing.No one can deny it.
Second this post by whoever it is …..Exactly true….I have this racist manager from south india….6 people have left our team and 2 more are ready to…and our company has a 2 year bond which makes ppl bear this torture for all those 2 years!!!